The Apologetics of Bono

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09/27/2010

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"Who is this man? And was He who He said He was, or was He just a religious nut? And there it is, and that's the question. And no one can talk you into it or out of it."

That question ignores a third possibility: that the Gospels are not an accurate record of what Jesus said. Given that only John has Jesus making a clear claim to messiahood and divinity, I think the third possibility is the most likely.

I'm not sure where Bono gets this idea of karma? The Judo/Christian World view and karma are totally incompatible.
If I could recommend one book to Bono: The God Who is There: Dr. Francis Schaeffer

Jack, you rock! I totally agree with you and you are quite eloquent - you put it all much better than I every could. You go!

@Michelle

What were the Christian crusades?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-crusades.html

Is Jesus a myth? Is Jesus just a copy of the pagan gods of other ancient religions?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

The Origin of Christmas
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/12/19/feedback-the-origin-of-christmas

How Christianity Changed the World
http://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Changed-World-Alvin-Schmidt/dp/0310264499

What's all the fuss about Jack? I thought this was about Bono.
Please, amateur theologians and apologists, keep quiet.
Most of you are embarrassing.

God's goal is receive love from His creatures rather than create puppets, hence our free choice, our will, though not in unison with His, caused us to fall.

Look at the Universe, the world, and all things created and imagine all of this was made for us. Amazing, awe inspiring.
Albeit, taken for granted. If the One Who made dirt, water and the skies can create a whole universe, it is not difficult to acknowledge His becoming flesh.

Good job Bono, it is really wonderful to hear a celebrity being humbled when he considers himself before the Creator. I am in Awe of our Lord too.

I wish you all peace that passes understanding.

@Desi

Great job referring the 'got Questions?' link. I thinl I'll post that one today!

Frank J. Tipler explains in his excellent book The Physics of Christianity exactly how the virgin birth took place.

@Damian

The best resource to explain why the evidence of a creator links back specifically and only to the Christian God is the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist" by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581345615?ie=UTF8&tag=thepoaegg-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1581345615

Don't let the title give you the wrong impression. It's not just about countering atheism. It actually runs through the whole gamut of beliefs and shows how the world's different spiritual views measure up to the available evidence.

While the book presents some of the best evidences for creation from different fields of knowledge including philosophy, logic, various sciences and history, what I found the most helpful is how the authors threaded everything together and linked it directly and uniquely to the Bible.

Before I read this book, I was already familiar with some arguments for the Christian God and, although I found them interesting, they weren't compelling enough on their own for me to accept the Bible as the one and only divinely inspired text. But now I see how there is no reason to trust anything but the Bible.

The only problem I had with this book was dealing with my own resistance to its conclusion. The Bible says that the wicked suppress the truth in unrighteousness, and I can definitely vouch for that. What a fool I used to be!

In addition to the book, I also recommend this very brief article about what makes Christianity unique from other religions theologically.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christianity-unique.html

Bottom line, faith is not an argument. Our job is to love. That is a full time job.
We will all reach our own conclusions, and live or die with those consequences, whatever they turn out to be. But the world will be a better place if we focus on loving and serving others, no matter if it turns out we are mistaken.

i heard that to get into Mother Teresa's convent you gotta pass some tests, one of which was being silent for one month. i always liked that, and the verse- 'the human heart is decietfull above all things.'

Ignored in all these arguments is the underlying emotional basis for belief and disbelief. Accoring to one study, 85% of athiests had a troubled or non-existant relationship with their father. What drives most athiests is that they can't stand their fathers or think they are irrelevant. That hangup gets projected onto God. Their scorn towards believers originates in their scorn towards authority. Sure, belief in God has its problems but fewer than naturalism. Like the naked faith it requires to believe the Big Bang just came out of nowhere. The theory of multiverses just pushes the problem of origins farther back but it is still there. It wasn't so long ago that Freud wrote that belief in God was a symptom of immaturity. Now research has clearly established that people who believe in a loving God are happier, healthier and live longer. Bottom line: Athiests read books and talk to people who support their belief that everyone is stupid but them and Christians read books and talk to people who support their belief that Jesus is Lord. Most conversions happen when people encounter a Christian who loves them in a way that they have never been loved before. Calvary love undercuts all the arguing.

@Damian,

A better response to this than the one I just wrote can be found at:

http://www.answersforatheists.com/index/The_Problem_of_Geographic_Location

@Damian,

I think I've already suggested to you, or someone else, the book, 'Jesus Among Other Gods' by Ravi Zacharias, a Christian from India, born and raised in a predominately Hindu culture. As a matter of fact, Christianity is virtually exploding in places like India, China, and Africa. Muslims are converting to Christianity by the thousands. Did you know that there are about 10 million Christians in Egypt? Many Jews are also converting to Christianity. I know MANY Christians who were raised not being indoctrinated into any religion.

Although this proves nothing about Christianity being the one 'true' religion, it doesn't do much for your 'cultural Christian' argument.

You(and many others)seem to want to believe in a god who conforms to what your human idea of 'fairness' is. We are of course free to choose to accept or reject God on any basis, even the idea that he is not 'fair'. We can no more dictate to God what is fair or unfair any more than an ant or a flea can to us.

@AJ - "Need evidence for a Creator? Look up, because "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." - Psalm 19 (KJV)"

I don't want to sound like a broken record here but this is probably my last post on this site as I am really not getting an answer to this question.

I totally believe that there is a higher power, but why is it the Christian God? What makes the Christian God more correct than all the other Gods? As I have said before to me it is just a combination of geographic circumstance and whatever religion you are born into e.g. a child being born in Saudi Arabia means they will probably be born into a muslim family, and therefore be indoctrinated as a muslim etc. Is it now fair that this person goes to hell because they are not a Christian? Yes, I understand that they will probably know about Christianity but they genuinely can't be expected to make a switch especially seeing as it is based on faith, and especially when they have been told their whole life that their religion is right?

Bono is right. Just as others have said. Jesus is either a liar, a lunatic or Lord. He claimed to be God...The creator of all things. It is completely insane in one breath to say that He was a great teacher or prophet of God and then suggest that He was not exactly who He claimed to be.

I for one will err on the safe side...8-)

Michael J Loomis
-Founder of http://ad70.net

I'll Be....Bono is a genuine brother :-) I look forward to visiting with him. Great interview. And a message to Jack.. Jesus' DNA is normal...from the family of Melchizedek.

Hi everyone!

A fantastic read is: The Evolution Cruncher. You can read it online if you google the title.

24 chapters of pure, stone-cold scientific facts that make the evolution theory a very unlikely occurrence.

Need evidence for a Creator? Look up, because "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." - Psalm 19 (KJV)

Just look at the wonders of creation. What more proof do we need?

God Bless!

Bono is so great because he doesn't preach. He is a rare find - a truly intelligent, open-minded, thinking person who actually believes in Jesus but doesn't shove his belief down your throat or be creepy about it. I wish more Christians were like him, and could shut up about all their judgy, holier-than-thou crap.

@Michelle,

Hi Michelle, I am so glad that you and many other skeptics/seekers are here. I am also glad to see other Christians here answering people's questions. I hope you will keep coming back and browse our archives of 100s of articles that might anwser some of your good and sincere questions and doubts.

I would like to address one specific thing you said: "The same stories that are told in the bible can be found in every other religion before and after Jesus."

Michelle, I know that there are many out there who proclaim that this is true, but if you will do a sincere investigation of these claims I think you will have to agree that they are false claims. Jesus is totally unique among all religions. Read the New Testament Gospels for yourself and then see if this compares to anything in pagan mythology.

There are many books I could recommend, but here are just a few good ones...

The Case for the Real Jesus by Lee Striobel
Jesus Among Other Gods by Ravi Zacharias
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas

These are just a few. After I became a Christian I had a strong desire to see if there was any actual evidence that poited to Christianity being true. I have been investigating the truth claims of Christianity for close to ten years now and I keep coming to the same conlusion over and over: Faith (trust) in Jesus does not require a blind leap of faith in the dark; it only requires a small step of reasonable faith.

Best Wishes to you.
Greg West

P.S. I would also like to HIGHLY recommend the website www.pleaseconvinceme.com which has answers to many of the hard questions about Jesus, God, the Bible, & Christianity. It is run by Jim Wallace, who is a former atheist and is a cold case homicide detective. He's a much smarter guy than I am and has a real passion for answering skeptics and seekers. I hope you will check it out.

@ Damian and Michelle:
This website http://www.christianbooksummaries.com/library/v1/cbs0125.pdf will give you great details about the book Jesus Among Other Gods. It does not replace reading the actual book, but it is something you can look at now. I am going to research and try to find a site for the Lee Strobel book also.

Let me know what you think!

@Jack and Damien. You make so much sence to me. Everyting you both have stated are the reasons I just can't commit to christianity.

I am here on this website because I just don't understand christians...or really anyone who follows any of the worlds major religions. (well, except Buddists. They are truly peaceful people. They're not going to tell you you're going to hell if you don't follow the Buddah.) I do not dislike christians. Most of my friends and family are christians. I also believe in God - or in the very least a higher power. I just cannot accept Jesus as fact. The same stories that are told in the bible can be found in every other religion before and after Jesus. They are the same stories but with different names. How can it be possible that Jesus is the only way to salvation...whatever that is? I would really really really like for someone to convince me of that. I've yet to find someone who could...and believe me, I've been looking for a long time.

(I will read Jesus Among other Gods when I get my hands on it. Thanks for that suggestion.)

@Jack--You said, "I guess its easier just not to think about it right? :)" Sure, it's a lot easier. Easier isn't always best, though. Please, don't stop thinking about it.

Regardless of what you choose to believe, don't choose flippantly. Wrestle through it, it's worth the fight to know, to really, truly know what you believe and why. I would love it if you chose Christ, but that's not something I have any influence over. Please don't dismiss Him because you were too lazy to think about it.

@ Damian
the above message is for you...I forgot to put your name.

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