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I must address CiroGalli's claims, one-by-one.

First claim is that there is no actual "natural marriage" which is more than likely a misinterpretation of the poster. I don't feel a need to address that, as it shows that "marriage" is a cultural thing (as it is), so therefore it changes on a whim to fit the wants of the culture, so marriage is not a thing altogether, although the word has been heavily perjorized to be accustomed across cultures.

Of course gay people exist. "Gay people are not gonna procreate because we ban same-sex marriage." Which is kinda obvious, since gay people cannot procreate at all, not yet at least.

"They're still gonna be having the very same homosexual relationships. We might as well give consented adults the joy of marriage and the benefits that come along with it." Alright, so this obviously can go in very many directions, which really not need to be addressed for modesty purposes.

For the block quote:
""[Children of gay marriages] are more self-aware, more adept at communicating their feelings, and exhibit more empathy for people different from themselves. They learn early how to negotiate the outside environment, gauge other people's motives, and assess how open they dare to be in specific situations. They are strong. In my work, I routinely saw how, with enough support from their families, children of gay parents developed skills at thinking independently and standing up for what they believed which distinguished them from many children with straight parents.""

There was no source listed, and I find it extremely unlikely that it has anything to do at all with sexuality, but rather the methods of parenting. The last sentence could also be assessed as self-approving brainwashing.

"Don't pretend the discussion is not religious. It's 100% religious. Still haven't heard a single reason why we shouldn't let gay people marry that is not religious or comes from a person with a religious agenda. Never seen people as prompt to hate as Christians, who are supposed to be professing love, tolerance and compassion. If you don't want a same-sex marriage don't have one. But please stop intruding in the lives of those consenting adults that would make them feel realized to have one."

I must also feel that this poster had not read the post entirely, if at all.

Again, we experience the clashing of moral systems, one relatively moral (absolutely amoral) and one absolutely moral. The only reason for inclusion of LGBT rights, if there was one, is emotional at best. It is an argument that pushes more for pride and acceptance for their choices upon their sexuality instead of something that's really meaningful.

As an agnostic, I'm in favor of the Christian side of the argument because anything humanist in nature is pretty awful at its core. Just basically says "anything goes as long as it's legal." If you ask me, marriage has no place in the government, and it should only exist within the cultural people who use it, and it should have a clear distinction between people of different cultures. For example, Christian marriage is extremely different than the governmental "marriage" we have in the US. I would like to have a simple argument, but everything has been perjorated against any religious argument to the point I find it hard to argue against other atheists or agnostics.

There's nothing like "natural" marriage. Marriage is not found in nature in any forms. It's a cultural construct and as such, each culture can define it as it sees fit. I might even say, the more happiness it brings. In the same way there are other societies where two brother marry the same wife, there are others with polygamy, polygyny, group marriage, and what have you.

Gay people will always exist. How many more gay people does God have to create to convince us He wants them here with us an happy? Gay people are not gonna procreate because we ban same-sex marriage. They're still gonna be having the very same homosexual relationships. We might as well give consented adults the joy of marriage and the benefits that come along with it. But gay marriages can and in fact adopt and bring up those children that are abandoned by dysfunctional heterosexual marriages or lack thereof, to turn in the most loving, compassionate, tolerant, sympathetic, creative and intelligent children we can produce:

"[Children of gay marriages] are more self-aware, more adept at communicating their feelings, and exhibit more empathy for people different from themselves. They learn early how to negotiate the outside environment, gauge other people's motives, and assess how open they dare to be in specific situations. They are strong. In my work, I routinely saw how, with enough support from their families, children of gay parents developed skills at thinking independently and standing up for what they believed which distinguished them from many children with straight parents."

Don't pretend the discussion is not religious. It's 100% religious. Still haven't heard a single reason why we shouldn't let gay people marry that is not religious or comes from a person with a religious agenda. Never seen people as prompt to hate as Christians, who are supposed to be professing love, tolerance and compassion. If you don't want a same-sex marriage don't have one. But please stop intruding in the lives of those consenting adults that would make them feel realized to have one.

Thanks! I sent my rough draft out instead of the final edit! Sorry to all! I have been having problems with this lately. I will correct it and resend it.

I think the points presented in this article are wonderful and gives me a case to take a rational stance in discussing the issue of so-called "gay marriage". The problem I have (and the reason I cannot share this article on FB) is the horrendous spelling and grammar! I whinced throughout the whole article. Seriously, if you are in the business of apologetics and are using reason to "inform the ignorant" and fight "illiteracy", please use spellcheck and proofread! (it's LGBT, by the way...else-else?...runs rampant, not rapid....NAMBLA, not MBLA...there's much more). Please take the time to present your argument as a best work, not a mediocre work.

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